The future

[Renatus]

My apologies for the lack of communication on our end recently, but we've been trying to find people capable and able to give Evolution (that's right, you're no longer called Medium Rate, and many changes will come with the name change) the time and dedication that it so sorely needs. Sekhmet and I will be running the server, we may choose a third GM in the future if we feel it's necessary, but we'll cross that bridge if and when we come to it.

Firstly I want to emphasize that this is quite literally a brand new server, some of the problems with Medium Rate are obvious and others aren't (lack of time being spent on it being the major one), so as much as it pains us to ask people to start over again, that's exactly what we have to do. We want to make Evo a worthy server for people to play, but we don't want to shoot ourselves in the foot before it even goes live, by trying to correct old mistakes, which then lead to new ones (5 players being 3-5 months worth of time ahead of everyone else).

So our plan is to completely wipe the server and give older players a minor boost to get them started. We know this isn't much and again I apologize, but our hands are rather tied. We've not made a final decision on exactly what we'll give older players, but we're thinking along the lines of a level 30-40 character and most likely a handful of x2 exp tokens (the number of tokens would depend on your old character's level). Again, this isn't final, nothing is set in stone, this is just our initial plans.

See the other thread (which I'm currently typing) for details on the server and changes.

[DaWarns]

whats so bad about letting ppl start where they left off?

u say some ppl are 3-5 months ahead of some others... so what, thats what happens when new servers start, some ppl play more than others and get ahead / gain advantage.
thats the point of playing for the amount of time the hardcore players play for.

think about doing the same thing on high rate... the new comers have no chance of catching up, so reset the server giv every1 the same chance again.

i personally put in thousands of hours to my char to achieve on med rate wot auntsally achieved on high rate i also donated alot of money to make my gaming experiance as enjoyable as possible.

lapta told us there would be no wipe and i was really looking forward to starting where i left off

if u think that some ppl are too high a lvl atm jus put a cap on it make 70 max lvl for now
i wud even be willing to be de-lvld from 100 - 70 if it meant keeping my char + items that i have worked hard and donated for

[Sekhmet]

whats so bad about letting ppl start where they left off?

u say some ppl are 3-5 months ahead of some others... so what, thats what happens when new servers start, some ppl play more than others and get ahead / gain advantage.
thats the point of playing for the amount of time the hardcore players play for.

think about doing the same thing on high rate... the new comers have no chance of catching up, so reset the server giv every1 the same chance again.

i personally put in thousands of hours to my char to achieve on med rate wot auntsally achieved on high rate i also donated alot of money to make my gaming experiance as enjoyable as possible.

lapta told us there would be no wipe and i was really looking forward to starting where i left off

if u think that some ppl are too high a lvl atm jus put a cap on it make 70 max lvl for now
i wud even be willing to be de-lvld from 100 - 70 if it meant keeping my char + items that i have worked hard and donated for

As we have said this isn't med rate its a "New Server" but we want to give med rate players a head start so they don't feel like they have been kicked to the side and forgotten

[Renatus]

Though I completely understand your point Ven and sympathize with you entirely, this is a new server and we're new runners, we don't want to have people starting and thinking "Oh look, there goes someone that I have no chance in catching up" the second the server goes live.

I've spoken to people who've tried out the Extreme server and have been reading the posts quite intently and it's clear that people are enjoying the fresh start, on the same playing field, where non-donaters are getting things before donaters, just because of luck (most of the first-book-owners haven't donated, I believe). Though this is a short-lived experience, it's a very fun month or two while people get the server-first-whatever, which gets our player base going and gives us something to work with.

It also gives us plenty of time to dedicate to the earlier parts of the game, as people steadily level up, otherwise we've got a brand new server where half the players are at the beginning levels and the other half are nearing the end of the normal levels (we intend to put a ReBirth system in, which we've not even began to design yet and won't until earlier things are perfected), thus dividing our efforts and leaving us stretched to do everything at once.

A possible compromise I can think of, which I know isn't much, is putting all of your old characters on to the Beta server and using that much more heavily than it currently has been, to test out the new things as we develop them. Personally I believe in rewarding those who help us, so I'd be willing to give people minor amounts of GG or even "Beta Tester" items that they could use on the live server. So you'd still get to play your character when you wanted (we could even double drop rates or something heavy, so people get that 'fun' of a rare dropping more often), it just wouldn't be live.

I really am very sorry that we can't offer anything further, but it's important that we start from scratch (or as close to it as possible) and get it right from the start. If you can think of anything that won't affect the live server more than giving you a level 30 char in basic kit and a bunch of x2 exp tokens, I'm more than willing to try and make it work. With the pk-friendly idea, we could give you pk points if you wanted, giving you access to an easier variety of items, than needing to kill bosses? This is something I'd have to discuss with Sekh, but it's another option.

[DaWarns]

As we have said this isn't med rate its a "New Server" but we want to give med rate players a head start so they don't feel like they have been kicked to the side and forgotten

sorry i cant help but lmao at the fact u think giving old med rate players a few lvls and a few exp tokens makes up for full heaven kits / devil kits and thousands of hours of gameplay / lvling not too mention donations,

last time i donated i was well off enough to not really think about doing it,
now time has passed and i'm on my ass so theres no chance of donating from me, not by choice but by circumstance.

so this decision is pretty much the 1 that totally destroys my and my irl friends mir experiance (there are 5 of my irl friends that wud have returned but dont see the point starting again)

i was always more than willing to help out any new comers to med rate i gave newbies multiple items and gold, lvld most ppl who wud ask unless i was busy.

i had a look at the mir extreme server the other day, asked for a grp and a little help during an event, got pretty much told to **** off and called a free loader, a few seconds later i was pked twice

i dont see wot will be different in this case

let us have our old chars back so we can continue to help the new comers
otherwise wots the ****ing point

[DaWarns]

[QUOTE=Renatus;171434]


A possible compromise I can think of, which I know isn't much, is putting all of your old characters on to the Beta server and using that much more heavily than it currently has been, to test out the new things as we develop them.

if u could do this it wouldnt supprise me if you got alot of old med rate players willing to test it very frequently

(its probably all i'd play)

[Renatus]

If it turned out that we had a lot of people on the Beta realm and very few on the Live one, I'd be open to the option of transferring Beta characters to the Live one, we'd need to keep drops the same though and rewind every time a bug was found... Or we could just send the 'old' (current state) characters there. This is something we really don't want to do unless there's no other option though, as it means we have to create and bug-fix an entire server straight off, rather than just doing the first half now and working on the later bits as people level up in to them. In short, it means waiting twice as long for us to sort everything out.

Again, I want to reiterate that this is something we don't want to do and I have only agreed to consider doing it, as I personally feel it'll be a mistake in the long run. This is before speaking to Jamie/Sekh about it, either of which are very capable of vito'ing it.

[Tallos]

Ugh, I had a feeling this would happen, when Lapta said how much work it was to transfer them I had my doubts. Did he sort that out, or is it something we'd get in future, our chars on the Beta server?

Although I was very annoyed about the idea of losing my char and all the items/work I'd put in to it, after playing the Extreme server (got to lvl 50 on a Wiz with pretty hot kit, called Lana, if anyone's seen my about ^^) I really did enjoy it, seeing the first people get FF was just... wow. It was a lot of fun running around in a group to kill the basics bosses, running away from WT's in KR, avoiding killing ET with more than a few mobs on me - Most fun I've had in years. A fresh server is a lot of fun, but it's a real **** to lose work previously done. I'd be willing to give it a go, if this pk concept is as good as the basic idea sounds, Extreme is good fun, but pk'ing on there is crap, as everyone has uber GG pets, which rape players, lol. The main thing is, what else did we have to do on the old server? We'd be back in that position within a few weeks of discovering the new things, then waiting for other new stuff to go in. If we started fresh we'd spend 2 months odd getting back to 60+, by which time more things would of been developed.

I'm cautiously interested, I just hope we're not having a repeat of Orphan, who did a great job, but just couldn't fit it all in with a busy r/l. Things have constantly felt like they're in a lull, people were back-tracking to fix previous mistakes/bugs and get things going, please don't put it up until it's ready. :<

[lapta]

at the end of the day, i ***ed this server up by putting x4 exp on for the amount of time i did. I have pointed this out many times and can not change this.

Letting people carry on with there current level would kill the server before its even opened. The new staff are still working out a way to repay the time and effort u have put in to the server. We understand that you played the server and wat you gained from the server, but again i will say transfering everything over 100% will just kill the server.

Once ther server is up (and it will be up and running with a full med rate data base for a few days) we will be able to get a better understanding of wat is going on with the old players and look at the current kits and levels.

Wat would be the point in being level 100 on new server that wont even have kit / hunting areas for ur level?

Give the new guys a few days/weeks to get on there feet and work out the best course of action to take.

[IRCHEATING]

Its easy tbh. new server new start. Sorry to all u who lost out on med rate. But new starts an all that jazz, ill be giving this a go tbh lol.