posted this in the help section though just read the help section and saw it was help hosting servers files rather than help with this server files soz. hmm im looking for the .exe or the program people are installing for the java cus the .exe link on teh site dosnt work anymore since its in the auto patcher and i cant donwload out of the autopatcher cus keeps blabbing about needing java 1.5 when i have like 1.4.2 or something went to the link that says for detailed help but the thing that suppose to downlaod isnt there anymore the link listed redirects you to another part of the site that blabs on about 5.0's and tried donwloading one but just crashed my java and blabs about verification failure when i try to install any of 5.0' java versions thx in advance for any helpful posts